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new law

Last post 07-23-2010, 11:49 AM by DrEric. 10 replies.
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  •  03-09-2009, 5:34 AM 205665

    new law

    I have a new news for the family of children with special needs.
    Did you know that
    students with health or cognitive problems who aren’t
    eligible for services under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act
    have protection under another federal law: Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
    This was first said on the article of Christina Samuels in in Education week.
    I think that this is very helpful especially to those who are in need financially.
    Good day!
  •  04-17-2009, 5:29 PM 216818 in reply to 205665

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    OMG. Surely you are not a teacher. The 504 legislation is one of the worst things to ever happen to kids and publis education. If you want to dicuss the horrors of this FEDERAL Law nightmare, ring me up. Gym334.
    There are "NO" bad kids.

    If the student fails to learn, the teacher failed to teach.
  •  04-22-2009, 3:23 PM 218517 in reply to 216818

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    Why do you feel that way?  504 can be very useful when a student has a disability that does not affect her/his learning, but does affect mobility, etc.
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  •  04-22-2009, 9:15 PM 218609 in reply to 218517

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    Why do you feel that way?  504 can be very useful when a student has a disability that does not affect her/his learning, but does affect mobility, etc.
     
         I want to be clear that I support assisting those children 100%. Just as I support special education and any other programs that assists our citizens who have special needs in any area that helps them to enjoy the blessings of liberty and happiness to which our founders pledged our nation.
         Unfortunately, on the ground, in our schools, these programs are abused more often than they are used to provide assistance to those for whom they were designed. Year after year I have been assigned children who are supposedly deserving of Section 504 or special education programs that have no problem, but are designated for these services while final determinations are made.  It is the norm for these children to be designated in lower elementary grades and to continue with this designation throughout their time in the school system. 
        Now my view may be narrow as I teach in a state that spends very little of its resources at any level from preschool through College educating its  population. However, my questioning of teacher across the nation on these practices does not lead me to believe it is just a problem in my state or district. 
         I have taught kids who absolutely could not function (as witnessed by their classmate's pleas to "Make them go to the office and take their medications" ) without the aid of drugs. I have also spent, on more than one occasion, an entire school year working (along with a child's parent) a kid moved from a "Main stream" situation to special education classroom.
         A student, once started on the road to 504 classification, comes to a classroom teacher with a list of required interventions that insure the student's failure and hog ties the teacher who tries to educate him. 
          For example is 504's "Extended time for Assignments." This intervention requires that a student be allowed to go to special classroom  to receive help from a special ed teacher in order to finish an assignment. Generally this intervention envisions a student receiving 50%  more additional time for each assignment beyond that allowed regular students.
         The problem: While a 504 student is out of the room extending the lesson time, the rest of the class is moving on leaving the 504 student behind. Ridiculous interventions like this are ruinous to a teachers effort to serve a student. Only a government  bureaucrat a the Federal Department of Education would believe that a program that proposed things like this would father public education.
         Likewise Special Education is defeated by nonsense like the "Least restrictive environment." mandate.  This requirement places students who need and deserve the special attention of a classroom limited to twelve students  served by a specially trained teacher and an aid into a classroom with a single teacher with no training in special education and 30+ other students.
         It has been my experience that once "Mainstreamed" the entire special education department at the district level has such a major investment in the student's classification that moving the student back to a more restrictive environment virtually requires a teacher to engage each member of the district's special education bureaucracy in single hand to hand combat.
         Problems like these which are only a few examples render special education and programs like section 504 the nightmare for classrtoom teachers to which I referred in my previous post.
        The sooner classroom teacher stop receiving "Help" from Federal and State beuracrats who have little if any experience in real classroom with real kids, the sooner we can begin the serious work of rebuilding a literate population.

    There are "NO" bad kids.

    If the student fails to learn, the teacher failed to teach.
  •  04-22-2009, 9:29 PM 218611 in reply to 218609

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    Hasn't the bulk of special education legislation been written in response to parents' needs?

    Your post touches on a lot of points.  I'll address the issue of "extended time."  Certainly, there are occasions when students are given "extended time" out of the classroom, which means that the students miss what is happening as the bulk of the class goes on. 

    I've always looked at the overall thoroughness of instruction as most important.  That is, it's better to give a student a whole week to learn a concept, so long as the concept is learned, than to rush along a child who isn't grasping anything.  Unfortunately, school funding is not to the point where special needs children can stay longer or come in on Saturdays.  These children must make do with the same six hours of school that everyone else gets.

    You offer a lot of criticism of special education, which can be good.  Identifying a problem is the first step.  But what about solutions?  How would you recommend fixing things?


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  •  04-22-2009, 11:01 PM 218640 in reply to 218611

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    Hasn't the bulk of special education legislation been written in response to parents' needs? And that is sick. I means "Go to the doctor sick." Those laws got passed because politicians caved to voters and liberal court rulings. They had nothing to do with serving the overall purpose providing the educated populous envisioned by the creation of our public school system.  Through all of this the people who should have spoken up, education professionals, sat silent. 

    Your post touches on a lot of points.  I'll address the issue of "extended time."  Certainly, there are occasions when students are given "extended time" out of the classroom, which means that the students miss what is happening as the bulk of the class goes on.  and that, as I pointed out, is ridiculous.

    I've always looked at the overall thoroughness of instruction as most important.  That is, it's better to give a student a whole week to learn a concept, so long as the concept is learned, than to rush along a child who isn't grasping anything.  Unfortunately, school funding is not to the point where special needs children can stay longer or come in on Saturdays.  These children must make do with the same six hours of school that everyone else gets. Where do you work? I never hear a classroom teacher asking for longer school days, weeks or school years. We tend to believe we can get our job done in the current time allotted.

    You offer a lot of criticism of special education, which can be good. I also said very clearly that I have no problem with special education when provided intelligently.

     Identifying a problem is the first step. Sure is! 

     How would you recommend fixing things? Let's, for a start, get the State and Federal Government out of the way. Let's get their stupid programs out of the way. Rid ourselves of their useless bureaucracy, and send those millions of wasted dollars back to the nations classrooms.

     But what about solutions? Here's your solution. Classroom teachers!


    There are "NO" bad kids.

    If the student fails to learn, the teacher failed to teach.
  •  06-19-2009, 6:00 PM 237986 in reply to 218640

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    Interesting posts...
  •  07-13-2009, 10:18 PM 245164 in reply to 205665

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    Special education services are individualized to meet the unique needs of students with disabilities and are provided in the least restrictive environment. Special education may include individual or small group instruction, curriculum or teaching modifications, transition services and other specialized services such as physical, occupational, and speech therapy.
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  •  07-29-2009, 8:31 PM 250280 in reply to 218609

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    I understand the frustration of having a student that leaves to get extra help and misses the rest of the class lesson.  504 services are difficult to include in the school day without missing a 'major' subject.  When I taught science and had 3 students who left the room for extra help twice a week, I modified their assignments.  For example, if my assignment for the class was to complete 3 write ups for an element on the periodic table, I expected the 3 students to complete one together in a small group with me (model) and one on their own.  This usually would allow them enough time to complete the assignment in class before they left.  Yes they didn't complete the entire assignment like the rest of the class but they had enough time to complete their work during class time.  Another way is when I expected students to answer questions from the readings, I would select specific questions for them to answer.  For example, the class would answer questions 1 - 6.  Each of the 3 students would be responsible for answering 2 questions each.  Then, they would share their answers within the trio.  Using this strategy held each of the three accountable for there work and gave them the information that they needed.  Its kind of like using the language arts strategy, Think-Pair-Share.

    I agree there are alot of rules and laws that don't necessarily fit within the scheduled time that is provided for during the school day, so I try to modify what I expect for the students to walk away with and fit that into my lessons.

      

  •  05-23-2010, 2:38 AM 345293 in reply to 218640

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    Are you a special education teacher?
  •  07-23-2010, 11:49 AM 350525 in reply to 345293

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    It seems that the problem folks have with the 504 is not the law, but the implementation.

    There are some easy, common-sense things that people can do to address accommodations and potential abuse.

    http://askdreric-schoolpsychologist.blogspot.com/2010/02/processing-deficits-and-accommodations.html
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